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Author Topic: App killers DON'T help with battery power.  (Read 29735 times)
sakai4eva
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« on: September 13, 2010, 01:18:34 AM »

Here's a confirmation that appkillers don't help with power conservation.

Basically, each app must:
1. Wake up
2. Request for resources
3. Get approval for request

So, unless the app itself is active (your screen is showing the app), it wouldn't make a request for resources.

There! That settles the debate! IT DOES NOT HELP IF YOU USE APPKILLERS!!!

So stop using them to manage power. Other uses (killing a bad app) is a totally different thing altogether and will not be discussed here.

UPDATE: My very favourite geek-life-improvement site, LifeHacker just released a new article on Android Task Killers. Click on the link here.
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 09:51:51 AM »

I'll add a bit more info on memory managment.

By default Android will keep the last used applications loaded into it's memory.  It requires less power to keep them in the memory than it does to kill them and load them later on. (booting an app requires the CPU, which happens to drain the battery VERY quickly)
When for some reason it needs to load a new app and free memory for that, it'll kill selectively.  The ones that are most likely to be used again are kept in the memory, and those that aren't needed are killed.

How does Android determine which ones to kill and which ones to keep?  Easy.  

The phone logs just about everything.  Which apps you use, how often you use them, which apps are used by the system, when certain apps will poll for new data (like the mail app polling it's server), etc.
It then uses all that information to determine the memory and power managment, so that it needs to use the CPU less and has the necessary apps already loaded into the memory when you use the phone.  
It takes a few days for the OS to log sufficient information and adjust itself accordingly, which explains why the first few days after a factory reset or a major OS update are always tough.  

All this can only happen properly if Android gets accurate data.  Using a taskkiller will only confuse the OS and will kill apps that would have been better off if left alone.  Yes, you'll save some energy by not having all these tasks loaded, but the extra CPU usage to boot them again easily outweighs that.

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On  a more personal note :

The first app I installed on my Desire (my first smartphone) was Advanced Task Killer (otherwise known as ATK).  I did that because many people told me that it was absolutely necessary if I wanted to have any battery life at all.  
After 2 weeks I had around 50 hours of battery life and was happy about that.

I then read a post about taskkillers and decided to remove it as a test (although I was very skeptical).  
The first 2 days I had no battery life to speak of, but afterwards I noticed an improvement in speed (because the right apps were always loaded) and saw my battery life increase to 55-60 hours.  

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All in all I agree with Sakai4eva.  
There IS a use for taskkillers, but only if you have a real problem with a certain app. 
Then again if you do have a bad app, you'd need to identify it first as the cause of your problems.  And if you do know that, you might as well remove or disable it and look for a replacement that works properly.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 05:12:49 PM »

Interesting reading...

Just wondering then, - without and app killer, how do i 'close' the internet browser?

Currently I click one of the App killers and then if I go into internet again, it goes to the home page. Without an App killer, the internet will not go off (ie if I click again later, it takes me straight back to the last page I was on).
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 06:15:51 PM »

No real need to close it.  If you just exit it, it'll use less power than if you were to close it completely and open it again later on.  But yes, that will indeed take you back to the last page you used.

What you could do is either go to the home page just before you close the browser, or make a shortcut to your homepage on the homescreen and use that to lauch it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 08:22:41 PM »

I used an app killer once for a day. Got sick of killijg tasks every five.minutes, plus i did my research and found other ways to get a better battery life
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 10:28:34 AM »

Interesting info about App Killers.  I was running one that kills apps everytime the screen turns off.  It's fine until it kills something needed by mistake and the phone goes loopy.  I've turned it off and will see how it copes for a few weeks.  Battery life will be interesting.  The HTC Desire can be a hungry beast Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 01:30:12 PM »

Mutley,

The first few days you will most likely have a lot less battery life because the phone at this point still relies on the info it gathered when the taskkiller was still being used. 
In my case it took about 5 days before it sorted itself out.  Depending on how much you use the phone (and how you use it), it may adjust faster or slower.  But 2 weeks should be plenty of time.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 01:38:43 PM »

Thanks.  I'll grin and bear it and wait for it to settle down again.  Is it wise to allow the battery to run down rather than charging it from half full?  I can charge it whilst at work but not sure if this is a good idea or not.

I was interested in the battery conditioning info but I've had my phone about 6 weeks so missed the boat I expect Sad
 
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2010, 02:18:32 PM »

A drastic way of calibrating is to do a factory reset.  I have just updated to 2.2 and did a factory reset to clear things out and start afresh.

I then did the calibrating and battery seems to be lasting well.  Will see how it goes over the next few days.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 03:36:25 PM »

It's now been just over a week since I read this thread and uninstalled my app killer.
At first ( the first two or three days) the battery life was dire.
Then it began to last longer, and I'm now on about 30% after a very heavy day call and text wise.
I would say it is much better WITHOUT the app killer!


Thanks.

Rags.
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2010, 04:54:55 PM »

I did a full reset a little while ago after problems with a memory card but wasn't aware of the battery calibrate.  I will wait until 2.2 appears, then go for the from scratch reset.

As for it running low now I have got rid of the App Killer.  I've not noticed yet, but I'll see in a fortnight.  Run from 100% at 4am until 11pm and still got 42% left.  It wasn't a heavy days use, but the odd txt and browse online.  Kept WiFi switched off though. 

One thing that does hammer the battery is listening to music.  20% lost for a 40min train journey.  It would be nice to improve a bit on that.
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 04:43:08 AM »

Interesting info about App Killers.  I was running one that kills apps everytime the screen turns off.

Thank you so much for this valuable information. Very useful.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 12:30:35 PM »

I've been running the same app' killer. I've just killed it to see if i see some improvement over the next fortnight.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 04:46:43 PM »

Thanks for the thread sakai4eva. After reading up a little about how Android works after reading your OP, I uninstalled my apkiller and will not be reinstalling it.
I find the phone works just fine without an apkiller and I don't find the battery any better or worse, but the way Android handles memory seems much more logical than killing apps (that may need reloading) just because I didn't understand how the memory is handled.
The way I understand it, the memory needs power whether in use or not, frequently used apps will be readied in the memory making for faster load times under Android (a bit like superfetch in Win7), when Android starts running short of memory it simply does what your apkiller does anyway by emptying memory, also the apkiller is using resources too.
I'm actually quite tempted by Linux for my PC now I see how efficient it is.   Wink

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 08:36:32 PM »

Just updated with a lifehacker writeup on task killers. go check it out on the first post.
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