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« on: October 06, 2010, 02:16:40 AM »

I want to get a smart phone for the usual stuff really. Internet, apps, music etc. I've seen a few video reviews and it looks pretty good, but I was wondering what it's like as a music player? Also, what are Android apps like? I've used a few iPhones to know the apps and stuff, are Android apps similar to what Apple apps are quality wise?

Just need a few pointers really, thanks. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 03:17:26 AM »

You don't know?  Then what's this?

... The HTC Desire is definitely the most comfortable "slab of glass" style phone I've ever used. The rounded shape at the top is so much nicer on the ear than the metal rim of the iPhone or the plastic rim of the X10.

Well, I haven't had any problems with my Desire so far. ...

I have an HTC Desire on three ...
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 06:37:38 PM »

Well, as I'm a Medical Man (I watch Casualty and Holby City!!) i can only offer one diagnosis, Mr Bush is suffering from Early Onset Alzheimer's and should go and see his GP ASAP  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 11:48:56 PM »

Actually, he does have a tendency to copy and paste blogs... I think I saw one of his review posts in techradar.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 02:10:51 AM »

No it is not worth it. Unless you like spending hours tinkering. It has huge user interface issues.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 03:46:14 PM »

UI issues?  Where?  Never noticed any, TBH.  You sure you're not running some crazy non-original ROM?

ALL operating systems have issues.  If you want a phone that has no OS issues, you'll need one of these :

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 07:45:43 PM »

Why are you being condescending? I am not a fool, and I CAN tell the difference between a mobile and a regular phone. And,in case you didn't know there is more to the phone than just the OS. I am running the original software that came with the phone, plus I installed an appkiller because everybody told me to.
The biggest issue with the phone is that it is too easy to accidentally do an action that was not intended. The volume controls are positioned very badly - simply picking up the phone or handing it to someone easily results in changing the setting.
The slide switch to activate the phone operates vertically - on the iPhone it operates horizontally. Imagine - the phone is in your pocket n it rings - you pull it out and , guess what - often you have accidentally CANCELLED the call. Why? Figure it out - but it is much less likely to happen on the iPhone.
The recent call list - it is extremely touch sensitive - simply scrolling thru the list easily results in an accidental call.
I can give dozen more examples.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 10:08:11 PM »

Why are you being condescending? I am not a fool, and I CAN tell the difference between a mobile and a regular phone. And,in case you didn't know there is more to the phone than just the OS. I am running the original software that came with the phone, plus I installed an appkiller because everybody told me to.
The biggest issue with the phone is that it is too easy to accidentally do an action that was not intended. The volume controls are positioned very badly - simply picking up the phone or handing it to someone easily results in changing the setting.
The slide switch to activate the phone operates vertically - on the iPhone it operates horizontally. Imagine - the phone is in your pocket n it rings - you pull it out and , guess what - often you have accidentally CANCELLED the call. Why? Figure it out - but it is much less likely to happen on the iPhone.
The recent call list - it is extremely touch sensitive - simply scrolling thru the list easily results in an accidental call.
I can give dozen more examples.

We're just being funny. Your first post wasn't helpful, and it could be construed as flaming. Watch your tone, too, please. We are just trying to get to the bottom of the issue, and I like to be nice, even when it is a Monday morning.

Another thing is, if you would kindly do a search of the forum's topics before posting your rant, we have dealt with every single one of your issues with the phone itself.

And if you REALLY like the iPhone, really, STFU or GTFO. If you came into this forum just to flame around, your next post will definitely be your last. Otherwise, try to be constructive and look around for answers.

Otherwise, just fork out for the iPhone. Don't come around and pull a one-post-wonder.

AND welcome to the internet.

/at least you are not... in another website Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 01:17:09 AM »

Look, I am not flaming around. I have another 18 months before the phone contract expires. So, this phone cost me money, and I am merely warning a new purchaser that this phone requires a lot of tinkering. One needs to install apps like Volume Locker and Call Confirm. Also there are issues with the slider switch on its own. There is some discussion about using the security lock function (I use the pattern lock) to get around issues with the slider. But, if one uses the pattern lock then there should be no need for the slider!
The calendar app - its the only one I have ever seen where you can't set up the end of a repeating event - you must delete unwanted events separately.
The alarm clock app - if the minute wheel is set at 55 and you want to change it to 00, you can't roll it forward 5 - you have to roll it back 55.
Why are you suggesting I should STFU? Surely I should be able to post valid criticisms.
I have no idea whether the iPhone is any better - I purchased this after reading lots of reviews and recommendations - but I can see now that they were superficial, and that they considered only what the phone can do, rather than how well.
Maybe I am mistaken, and I haven't read the manual properly, but wasn't it you that said the manual sucks?
I welcome any corrections to my misunderstandings because that will improve my user experience with the phone.
Cheers.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 01:46:20 AM »

Look, I am not flaming around. I have another 18 months before the phone contract expires. So, this phone cost me money, and I am merely warning a new purchaser that this phone requires a lot of tinkering. One needs to install apps like Volume Locker and Call Confirm. Also there are issues with the slider switch on its own. There is some discussion about using the security lock function (I use the pattern lock) to get around issues with the slider. But, if one uses the pattern lock then there should be no need for the slider!

I never had any problems with accidentally pressing the volume buttons. Maybe I have better manual dexterity with my fingers (guitarist and bassist, guilty as charged), so I never had the issue. On the other hand, I also always have a case surrounding the phone, so you might wanna explore that.

As for the slider switch, you can elect to run a custom ROM, or even use a different lockscreen if you want to.

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The calendar app - its the only one I have ever seen where you can't set up the end of a repeating event - you must delete unwanted events separately.

You need to do this from the desktop Google calendar. Using the "HTC" version totally sucks.

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The alarm clock app - if the minute wheel is set at 55 and you want to change it to 00, you can't roll it forward 5 - you have to roll it back 55.

I'm surprised that this "defect" deserves rancor. What would you really want from it? Have you tried any other alarm apps?

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Why are you suggesting I should STFU? Surely I should be able to post valid criticisms.

I suggest that people STFU if they are posting this:
No it is not worth it. Unless you like spending hours tinkering. It has huge user interface issues.

especially since the entire post never really goes into details and pretty much goes against the entire feel of the community as a whole and is quite reluctant to elaborate.

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I have no idea whether the iPhone is any better - I purchased this after reading lots of reviews and recommendations - but I can see now that they were superficial, and that they considered only what the phone can do, rather than how well.
Another good reason for me to ask you to keep your opinions to yourself, or at least until you have tried it properly. I surmise that the Desire is you first smartphone? Then I also suggest that you intelligently understand the reviews and what they have compared vs. what you are using the phone for.

I have also compared the Desire and the iPhone 4. While I find the Desire wanting in terms of games and "magic", my familiarity with Google and it's products make it an easy choice. I also abhor the closed system of the iOS, so I loved Android and all that it brings.
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Maybe I am mistaken, and I haven't read the manual properly, but wasn't it you that said the manual sucks?
I welcome any corrections to my misunderstandings because that will improve my user experience with the phone.
Cheers.
I hate to say it to you, but it doesn't seem that you have done sufficient amount of research to warrant a purchase. Most of what you have mentioned are (to me, at least) minor and petty interface issues that are easily solved had you spend more than 5 minutes with the phone. It doesn't justify what you said about the phone being worthy (or not) of purchase, and neither did your initial comment justify your explanations (which is to say it isn't helpful at all).

If you do not appreciate the "tinkering", and the very option of tinkering, why don't you sell off your Desire and/or trade it for an iPhone 4? I'm quite sure there will be takers in that option. It's user experience will be much more suitable for you.

I, for one, am glad of the option to tinker with the phone and add/remove any components that I find objectionable to. If you don't like tinkering, X's suggested phone is more suitable. Remember, you learn the smartphone, because it can't learn you.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 03:37:22 PM »

lq,

I apologize if you felt that was condescending.  I was not trying to do that in any way.  In fact I was dead serious. 

Every piece of electronics with a screen will have some UI issue for someone.  Most of the problems you reported are known to cause some people trouble.  (which is why call confirm, volume lock etc were developed in the first place).  However these issues only affect a relatively small percentage of the users.

In the 6 months I've had the Desire, I have yet to accidentally cancel a call by taking it out of my pocket or the pouch.  I carry my Desire upside-down in a tight pouch hanging off my belt, so the screen does actually slide upwards against it when I take the phone out.  This hasn't caused any problems yet, except that it has put some very minor scratches on the screen protector. 
Maybe your pocket is made out of a material that has roughly the same conductive properties as human skin?  That would explain why your screen responds to the material whereas mine doesn't.

The call list is indeed very sensitive.  After one or 2 accidents you'll learn that tho.  I've only made 2 accidental calls so far, both in the first month of Desire ownership.  One when scrolling through the list, one when I wanted to save the number and accidentally clicked the number instead of the "+" button. 
But seeing as it takes about 2 seconds before the phone actually starts to ring, that gives you ample time to cancel the call before it's actually being made.  There's room for improvement there indeed, but I wouldn't call it a failure of biblical proportions.

The volume button won't work if the screen is off (unless you're playing music, in which case it controls the music volume instead of the ringtone volume).  So by simply tapping the "power" button to turn the screen off before you put the phone away, you can avoid such adjustments to the ringtone volume just fine.  And it conserves the battery.

With regards to the tinkering thing, for most people Android does indeed require some amount of tinkering.  It's designed as a base OS that can do everything reasonably well.  It is then up to the customer to alter apps and such to get the phone completely to his liking. 
With the iPhone a lot more thought went into integrating and polishing everything, but once you want to make a change you're .. ermm ... screwed (I don't like the f-word, but almost used it there).  If you don't want to do the effort to personalize the phone, you're better off with the iPhone indeed.  That one has the best OS out-of-the-box, but that's the only positive thing I can say about it really.

As for the flaming/non-flaming thing, your first 2 posts in this forum were both about how bad the phone is, both without any detailed reasoning or arguments in them.  TBH I'd consider that flaming. 
You've given such an explanation now, so as far as I'm concerned it's all fine and you are entitled to your own opinion. 
Just keep in mind that some people here are more passionate about the Desire (the hatred between Android and iOS fans is just one of the reasons).  Those people won't take kindly to someone telling them that the phone is a bunch of sh*t without any decent explanation. 
It's a bit like telling a group of heavy soccer fans that their favourite club stinks.  Trust me, if you'd do that you'd spend quite some time looking at the ceiling of a hospital room (if you still have your eyes).

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Oh, and before I forget : I read that you're using an appkiller.  If you look around this forum a bit, you'll find a few topics on why we suggest to stay clear of them.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 07:27:35 PM »

Thanks, Xsaecen, I appreciate that. My first post was done after I had written a more complete explanation of the issues, but because of my finger problems, I lost the message, so second time around I had lost the energy to rewrite it all, and possibly I assigned blame partly to the phone's UI as well.
I have no intention of suggesting the iPhone is any better, for many of the reasons you mentioned.
On the other hand I am disappointed a company like Google, which I usually admire, would skimp on UI.
I am a software developer for a large org, building mission critical apps. I am continuously reminding programmers here to put themselves in the user's shoes and stop assuming they know everything.
The build quality of the Desire is excellent, but if I may make a comparison I would say it resembles a luxurious apartment on the top floor, but the builder left out the handrail on the balcony because the user should know better than to go close to the edge. The user can always customize the balcony and add whatever handrail they like. (notice this keyboard - even if I type 'handrail' correctly, it insists on using 'handmaid' - and the 'r' is a long way from the 'm' on the keyboard, so it can't possibly be me misaligning the finger).
I don't think the issues I mentioned affect only a few people. Everyone I asked who has a Desire if they have any issues, they always said 'no'. However when I point out these issues they all said 'yes, that's very annoying'.
Out of the box the phone is fiddly to use. if I am in a difficult position, eg up a ladder, I cannot ask my 80 year old dad to answer my phone. I cannot easily hand my phone to my wife to make a call, or to speak to someone - often something will go wrong - so it is not just me who has to get better, but everybody around me as well.
Please let's stop being apologists, and stop blaming the user (as the nut behind the wheel). Let's demand, as consumers, that all IT developers, technicians and engineers pay more attention to ergonomics, and stop being mesmorized by glitzy functions.
Cheers.

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 07:47:21 PM »

Please let's stop being apologists, and stop blaming the user (as the nut behind the wheel). Let's demand, as consumers, that all IT developers, technicians and engineers pay more attention to ergonomics, and stop being mesmorized by glitzy functions.
Cheers.


+1

Let's stop arguing Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 01:27:35 PM »

Let's all be friends.

Obviously the question was answered by the author of the question, but I will still give my feedback.

I have had my Desire for a couple of months now. I am getting in hang of the whole Android thing.

The phone manages to surprise me every time. If I had to buy a phone today - I would get the Desire again, maybe in black.

I have tested a whole bunch of phones since I got mine, and I am just glad I chose HTC Desire.

So, who DOESN'T know much about phones but needs one with Android - I would say that Desire is one heck of a choice.



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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2011, 06:54:07 PM »

owww, black ...

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